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angusabranson From: angusabranson Date: July 25th, 2005 02:31 am (UTC) (Link)
According to his cousin the Brazillian in question had excellent English. Also being restrained can still give you use of your fingers and all he would have needed was a split second to press the detonator/click the battery into place for the whole carriage, police and civilians, to go boom.

It is a very unfortunate incident but in this case I'd actually support the police in their actions. The man ran when challenged (whatever his reasons) and the police involved had enough suspicion that he was a clear and present danger to life that they took the threat down before others could be harmed.

In the light of recent events I feel most people would have done the same. If he'd have detonated and it came to light the police were present there would have been a shitstorm bigger than the one now.

If there's one thing that I learnt from living in the States is NEVER run away from armed police - regardless of your innocence or guilt.
bopeepsheep From: bopeepsheep Date: July 25th, 2005 08:35 am (UTC) (Link)
Even with poor English, policias is close enough to police to be intelligible either way, I feel. I've had 'polizei' shouted at me and the non-German-speakers with me understood it well enough to stand still for the Stasi(!).

My feelings on this one are roughly the same as sesquipedality's. I grew up around guns, which is unusual in Britain, and I know that the first thing to understand is that if someone is pointing a gun at you, they intend to use it if provoked. You don't run from armed men, whether they're criminals or police. It turns a possibility into a near-certainty, whatever their motive for shooting might be.
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bopeepsheep From: bopeepsheep Date: July 25th, 2005 09:40 am (UTC) (Link)
Or guilty, of course. (About anything, not specifically what they shot him for.)
owdbetts From: owdbetts Date: July 26th, 2005 09:34 pm (UTC) (Link)
Well, sounds like he was guilty of not buying a tube ticket...
owdbetts From: owdbetts Date: July 26th, 2005 09:52 pm (UTC) (Link)
If he'd have detonated and it came to light the police were present there would have been a shitstorm bigger than the one now.

This is the argument that Tony Blair is pushing, but I think it's completely bogus. It's the means we're interested in, not the ends.

If, for sake of argument, they had no reasonable reason for suspecting him, and failed to adequately warn him, then their actions would have been no more acceptable if they'd just happened to shoot a terrorist by sheer chance.

On the contrary, if they really did have good reason to suspect him, clearly identified themselves as armed police and told him to stop, then that makes their actions more acceptable. If their actions really were necessary and appropriate to protect the public, then they don't become any less appropriate just because the police were unlucky and got the wrong man...

-roy

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